"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Revelation 21:8
Maybe judgmental hypocrites are a kind of liar, but that seems to be a stretch. Does Jesus denounce hypocrites? Absolutely. But the cowardly get first mention in this Lake-o-Fire roll call.
I am assuming that spineless doormat here equals coward. Other reads?
To me, doormat and coward are not the same. Not to say your wrong. I would agree with your statements, if I felt they were totally the same.
A coward is one who shows disgraceful fear or timidity. Disgraceful being key word. People who pretended to not know Christ were cowards.
Spineless doormat is someone lacking strength of character. Not necessarily being cowardly about Christ or Christian living (which I think is what the bible is talking about). They can just be someone who always lets their friend pick the place to eat without feeling confident enough to voice their opinions at times.
yeah, but hypocrisy was what killed Jesus, and what God hates too. it is prideful ambition and hatred and bigotry. spineless doormat probably is cowardly, oh i don't know...not quite as bad as the sadducees an pharisees, in my opinion.
hey, 3:36 -- Hypocrisy is what got the pharisees and scribes called whitewashed tombs -- all nice on the outside but smelly and manky on the inside, like a decaying body. Scripture seems to indicate some hope for hypocrites -- Jesus definitely called for change in the life of the hypocrites of his day, and welcomed conversation with pharisees who were honestly seeking answers.
However, the place of cowardly doormats is in the lake of fire with liars and idolaters. Not quite such a rosy outlook for them.
So, all in all, I think i'd rather be a hypocrite, since that isn't punished so harshly.
It seems like everyone agrees with what judgmental hypocrite means! Spineless doormat is up in the air. Spineless seems harsh like the word coward but doormat is definitely a passive, taken avantage of, can't stand up for themselves, kinda word. I would be interested to know what these words actually were before translated into English and how strong of words they were in the bible. Like love (agape, eros, etc).
I can't imagine coward being anything close to doormat. Like from someone above, coward and hypocrites are bad when used to deny Christ or pretend you are for Christ but do otherwise. Also the way you judge people, you will be judged. I don't want to be judgemental at all!!!
I'm not sure doormat is in the bible...but if it is, I can't see it being as "sinful".
I abhor the fact that you all can choose between two characteristics equal in their depravity. However, if you had a gun to my head, I suppose I would choose...well...what do you think I should choose?
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hypocrite for sure
Being a judgmental hypocrite by far is worse.
. . . what they said!
i'd rather be a doormat than a hypocrite.
A hypocrite would be much worse!
"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
Revelation 21:8
Maybe judgmental hypocrites are a kind of liar, but that seems to be a stretch. Does Jesus denounce hypocrites? Absolutely.
But the cowardly get first mention in this Lake-o-Fire roll call.
I am assuming that spineless doormat here equals coward. Other reads?
well there is always hope for all of us, and i bet we have all been some of both before. :(
Judgmental hypocrite. Sadly, these kind of people give Christians a bad name. It is the opposite of how we should be.
I do agree with 8:29, but I also think being a good Christian is having a tiny bit of each! Know when to be a doormat and when to judge though.
Mosey
Both are bad choices, but I would much rather be a doormat than a judgmental hypocrite.
To me, doormat and coward are not the same. Not to say your wrong. I would agree with your statements, if I felt they were totally the same.
A coward is one who shows disgraceful fear or timidity. Disgraceful being key word. People who pretended to not know Christ were cowards.
Spineless doormat is someone lacking strength of character. Not necessarily being cowardly about Christ or Christian living (which I think is what the bible is talking about). They can just be someone who always lets their friend pick the place to eat without feeling confident enough to voice their opinions at times.
I appreciate your thoughts...got me thinking!
I agree with 11:32
what if you're a hypocritical doormat????
I agree with 8:29. Spineless=cowardly.
The term dorrmat does connote being a victim (others are wiping their feet on you), but it is the spineless part that is bad.
Really bad.
And not deciding where you should all go for dinner does not make you spineless in this sense. To me.
yeah, but hypocrisy was what killed Jesus, and what God hates too. it is prideful ambition and hatred and bigotry. spineless doormat probably is cowardly, oh i don't know...not quite as bad as the sadducees an pharisees, in my opinion.
hey, 3:36 -- Hypocrisy is what got the pharisees and scribes called whitewashed tombs -- all nice on the outside but smelly and manky on the inside, like a decaying body. Scripture seems to indicate some hope for hypocrites -- Jesus definitely called for change in the life of the hypocrites of his day, and welcomed conversation with pharisees who were honestly seeking answers.
However, the place of cowardly doormats is in the lake of fire with liars and idolaters. Not quite such a rosy outlook for them.
So, all in all, I think i'd rather be a hypocrite, since that isn't punished so harshly.
you guys should check out the growing posts from a gew days ago... getting interesting again
I'm just saying.
--Po
It seems like everyone agrees with what judgmental hypocrite means! Spineless doormat is up in the air. Spineless seems harsh like the word coward but doormat is definitely a passive, taken avantage of, can't stand up for themselves, kinda word. I would be interested to know what these words actually were before translated into English and how strong of words they were in the bible. Like love (agape, eros, etc).
I can't imagine coward being anything close to doormat. Like from someone above, coward and hypocrites are bad when used to deny Christ or pretend you are for Christ but do otherwise. Also the way you judge people, you will be judged. I don't want to be judgemental at all!!!
I'm not sure doormat is in the bible...but if it is, I can't see it being as "sinful".
all i know is that i am a doormat spiritually: only good enough for the bottoms of people's dirty shoes.
and yet the wonder of it all is that Jesus's blood makes me worthwhile. Amazing.
and i pray to NEVER be spineless.
I abhor the fact that you all can choose between two characteristics equal in their depravity. However, if you had a gun to my head, I suppose I would choose...well...what do you think I should choose?
the gun
Ha, Ha! That's hillarious!
I am pretty sure doormat, like many of the other things we like to discuss here, is in the apocryphal book of 2 Opinions.
Love you all!
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